FAQ’s

FAQ’s

Weather and Conditions

When is the best weather?

This is really hard question to answer! One thing that holds true all year- we live in a desert with over 300 days a year of sunshine. This means that everyday typically has a roughly 30 degree spread between morning temperatures and afternoon temperatures, all year round. Precipitation is rarely steady all day, except sometimes in winter. There is something to do outside pretty much every season.

Some generalizations about our seasons:

Spring (April-May)- Highly variable. It is not uncommon to have wind, rain, snow, and sunshine all the in same day. Snow rarely sticks around long below 9000′ at this time of year.

Early summer (June-mid-July) – Cool, sunny mornings and warmer, windier afternoons become our norm this time of year. Lots of sunshine, occasional days of rain- but they still often have some intermittent sunshine.

Late summer (mid July-August)- The monsoon season has begun! Warmer mornings, but still fairly cool. Afternoons can be hot with a high chance of highly isolated, fast-moving storms. Sometimes it rains at the office but not on the trips on the river! Fire bans are not uncommon this time of year. Alpine starts (pre-dawn) are common for summit attempts and climbers and bikers typically aim for the morning to maximize opportunities.

Fall (September-November)- The weather stabilizes. Higher elevations (above 9000′) will start to see snowfall in mid-late fall. The wind lays down and mountain biking, climbing, and  trips up into the high country are a popular pastime. This is also fire season and may be smoky.

Early Winter (December-January)- Snow is starting to build up in the high country. We aim for about 100 inches of accumulation before we start our avalanche and backcountry skiing/boarding activities.

Late Winter (February-March)- Snow is everywhere above 8000′, powder days are common, and winter sports are the activity of choice! Ice climbing, skiing and snowboarding, and hot springing are how we spend our days!

When are conditions best on the river?

Another challenging one! It depends on what you want to do.

Early summer (May & June):

The river will be colder and the water will be rising as the snow melts. Expect peak run off to be mid-June, but this could vary as much as 2-3 weeks in either direction depending on accumulated snow pack and how warm May is.

Everything becomes a bit more powerful this time of year- a great time for SUP surf, rafting, and advanced SUP and kayak lessons! May is a great learning time, as the water usually hasn’t hit peak quite yet, but enough water is coming into the river to see good features.

Late summer (July & August)

Water levels are dropping and the temperature is rising. A great time of year for learning kayaking, as the warmer temps and lower water make for ideal beginner conditions. Rafting is also really fun this time of year- enough water for fun features, and everything is just warmer and milder. Inflatable kayaks are also great at this time. Mid-August is when rafting becomes milder and inflatable kayaking (duckies) become ideal. Prime Duck Season!

September

A great time for learning as the low water levels make for great conditions to practice. Rafting in large groups becomes difficult as the river can be quite shallow. Inflatable kayaks are awesome this time of year!

When are snow and ice conditions the best?

It really depends on the pattern on snowfall throughout the season. Things tend to be patchy in early winter, fill in during late winter, and the snowpack usually stabilizes significantly in the spring. February, March and April are typically the best months for getting out in the backcountry.

Ice for climbing typically comes in January and sticks around through March.

Logistics

Where and when will my activity start and end?

All programs start and end at our facility in Buena Vista, CO unless other arrangements are made ahead of time. We provide transportation once the activity has started.

Morning trips check in at 8:30 and run until 12.

Afternoon trips check in at 1 pm and run until 4:30 pm.

Most full day trips check at 9:00 am and run until 4 pm unless otherwise noted. Certification courses check in at 8 am.

Winter trips check in at 8:00 am.

Can I leave my dog with you?

No. While we love dogs, we just don’t have the facilities to welcome them all. We recommend Alpha Dog Care at 719-539-5481. As a side note, our parking lot has pretty much no shade.

Can I drive my personal vehicle?

Sometimes. For climbing and winter trips- usually. MTB- maybe, depends on route. Not really possible for river trips due to the shuttle that is involved.  

Can you pick me up at my lodging or meet me somewhere other than the office?

Maybe. We do not offer pick up services in general, but we can meet clients at alternate locations if the logistics make sense and we have the capacity. We will need to make a clear plan with you regarding gear, waivers, and meeting time and location.

Camping and Lodging

Can I bring pets?

No. We do not allow any pets at the campground.

Are there showers?

No, we do not have any showers. There are pay showers available in Buena Vista at the building across the street from the pump track/baseball fields, at Wally La La’s laundromat, and at Peak Fitness. In Salida, showers are available at the Hot Springs Aquatic Center.

I’m taking a certification course. Do I get free camping?

No. Please call our reservations office prior to your arrival to arrange camping.

Are there full hookups for my RV?

No. We offer water on site, trash, recycle, and port-a-potties. No electricity or sewer.

Can I rent the whole campground for my event?

Unlikely. We can occasionally accommodate large events September-May, but our location does not have power or water. We do rent multiple group sites for corporate camping retreats during the summer, so long as the campground is already available. 

What other lodging options are there?

We have a variety of options. We are about 12 minutes from Buena Vista and 24 minutes from Salida. Both have great amenities. There are many vacation rentals in the area and we recommend checking them out. Beyond that, the following are great options.

Campgrounds

Salida

Salida East-AHRA campground right on the river

Four Seasons RV Resort

Buena Vista

Chalk Creek-  full hookups-719-395-8301

KOA-  full hookups- 719-395-8318 

Ruby Mountain-AHRA campground on the river, no hook ups

Motel

Salida- 

Simple Lodge and Hostel- bunk type housing or private rooms, downtown – 719.650.7381 

Amigo Motor Lodge- cute, hip

Woodland Hotel- simple, right across from baseball fields in Salida. Folks have lots of positive things to say about it.- 719-539-4980 

Buena Vista

Lakeside Motel- hear lots of good things about this place- (719) 395-2994  

Hotel

Salida

Loyal Duke Lodge-most hotel-feeling lodging- 719-539-6689

Buena Vista

Best Western- generic, but really nice – (719) 395-8009 

Resorts

Salida

Mountain Goat Lodge- bed and breakfast goat farm. Fairly close to us.- 719-539-7173

Mt Princeton Hot Springs- closest to us- 719-395-2447

Buena Vista

Surf Hotel- South Main. Nicest lodging other than Mt Princeton-719.966.7048

Cottonwood Hot Springs- nice resorty place – 719-395-6434 or 719-395-2102 

Rentals

Can I drop off or pick up early or late?

Our rental facility is open 8-5. Any rentals returned outside of those hours are subject to a late fee of 20% of rental value.

Do you rent wetsuits, PFDs, paddles, etc?

We only rent boat/board packages. These include clothing, but we do not rent individual items of gear.

Can I rent for a half day?

 No. We only offer full day rentals. Morning-afternoon or afternoon-morning.

Is there anywhere else I can rent gear?

CKS Mainstreet in Buena Vista offers gear rentals.

Can you deliver the gear? Do you pick us up at the end of the trip?

No. Per state regulations, we cannot deliver gear nor can we provide shuttle services. Please plan accordingly and have appropriate equipment for moving your gear and participants. We also do not offer tie-down equipment. Gear can be inflated or deflated, depending on your vehicle needs. All inflation equipment is provided.

Shuttles

Do you offer shuttle services?

No. Per state regulations, we cannot offer shuttle services. American Adventure Expeditions and Independent Whitewater may offer shuttle services. Many sections are accessible as bike shuttles or some folks use a cab service. We recommend dropping gear at put-in, parking at take out and taking cab back to put-in. 

Kayaking

Do I need to take level 1?

Our kayak courses are in boats with neoprene skirts. Sea kayaking in a skirted boat is the only similar, equivalent experience. For safety of customers and guides, we require instruction in self-rescue skills such as the wet exit that are covered in level 1 course before clients can go into moving water. It can be offered in a private course as a half day lesson if a client would prefer to not attend a full day group class, and can often be combined with level 2 if participants do well with the wet exit.

Is my group a good candidate for the combined Kayak L1/L2 Full Day?

Small groups of 5 or fewer participants who are reasonably athletic and quite comfortable in water often can move through the L1/L2 curriculum in one day. It really comes down to how comfortable all participants are with being upside down, underwater, and attached to a boat and how quickly instructors can get folks through that essential, life-saving skill.

What do you recommend I take if I want to learn to paddle a whitewater kayak?

L1, L2, L3, Rolling…. Then repeat L3+ Roll as necessary until ready for L4- which is a mostly reliable flatwater roll.

We also recommend getting out and going paddling with friends after L3/Rolling sessions. Make sure you’ve got someone who can help with rescues and that you are paddling a section appropriate to your skill set. RMOC Paddlers Facebook group is a great way to find paddling partners. Americanwhitewater.org is a great resource for beta about river sections.

Pikes Peak Whitewater Club and Colorado Whitewater are also good options for intermediate paddlers. 

Will I be able to paddle Class III after L3 Kayak?

Unlikely. Paddlers with experience in skirted boats, familiarity with reading whitewater, and strong athleticism can sometimes progress quickly enough to achieve this, but most people do not. See recommended progression above for a description of progression. Usually by the end of L3, folks are paddling Class I+/II with a buddy.

What’s the difference between all these kayaks I see on the river?

Hard plastic boats with a neoprene skirt: You’ll see these playing in the river parks and going downstream all along the river. Very technical, steep learning curve- but lots of opportunity if you can master it.

Inflatable kayaks: easy to learn, just need some basic paddling skills. Most similar to sit on top kayaks.

Short boats doing flips and tricks in the waves at the whitewater parks: These are called playboats and paddling these are an advanced skill. We can teach playboating, but participants will need a fairly reliable combat roll first.

SUP

I’ve never been on a SUP on the river before. Can I go?

Maybe. First trip downriver on a SUP will involve a lot of swimming and falling. It is recommended for athletic folks with a strong sense of adventure. If that isn’t you, we recommend an inflatable kayak.

I’m interested in going downriver on a SUP but some folks in my party are not. Is there a good option for us?

SUPs and inflatable kayaks can move downriver well together. We are happy to put together a mixed craft trip for your party. Rafts and hardshell  kayaks move at a different pace  from each other and other craft, and we do not recommend mixing them.

Rafting and Inflatable Kayaking

Not everyone in my party wants to do the same thing. Can we combine?

SUPs and inflatable kayaks can move downriver easily together at a similar pace and we can combine those for a group. Rafts do not mix well with other craft due to the significant difference in pace. Hardshell kayaks also move at their own pace and usually do not mix well with other craft.

I am not sure what section of river I want to paddle. What are the differences?

River difficulty is classified on a scale of I-V, based on the gradient of terrain, volume of water, and consequences of a swim.

Class II is our mildest section on the Arkansas. This is similar to a float trip or a splashy, fun mild adventure. It is great for folks that just want to get out on the river or groups that have young children. You’ll see some wave trains and some small drops. A swim in class II water is challenging because you are in moderate current and the bottom of the river is rocky, but hazards are mostly apparent.

Class III is like medium salsa- a little spicy, but doesn’t require an advanced degree in pepper-eating. It’s a really approachable level that is great for beginners and experienced paddlers alike. You’ll see white, foamy water including bigger drops, holes, pillows, and bigger wave trains. Swimming in class III can be a bit more sporty- heavier current and you may swim through some waves. It’s like swimming through moderate surf at the beach.

Class IV- This is spicy! It’s a great adventure for folks that want it. Previous experience rafting can be useful, but is not required. High sense of adventure is definitely required!

Which craft is more fun?

It depends on your sense of adventure!

Rafts are great because the whole group can be together in one boat (up to 6), but everyone has to be in agreement about the level of difficulty.

Inflatable kayaks make everything a little more adventurous because you are in your own boat- with a guide on the river with you. Class III in an IK is spicy!

Mountain Biking

My kids want to ride. Can they?

We have bikes that fit kids down to age 10. If they are younger than that and have their own bikes- we’d be stoked to take them out for a ride.

Climbing and Summit Hikes

There are a few folks in our party who do not want to climb. What are the options?

They can meet you after or they can ride along and watch. We do have to charge a fee for riding along because we will be charged for insurance and entry fees.

What are the different types of climbing and what do you offer?

Here’s a good article explaining it. This one is short and sweet.

We offer a variety of free-climbing instruction. Most guided trips are single pitch top rope free climbing, but we also can teach lead trad climbing, sport climbing, and multi-pitch. We also offer ice-climbing and mountaineering instruction.

What peaks can I hike?

We have permits for Mt. Arkansas, Mt. Elbert, Mt. Sherman, and Mt. Huron. These permits do include some additional areas near those peaks. We cannot guide on any other 14ers in the region, by state law.

What fitness level do I need to be able to climb a 14er? What should I expect?

Most trails start above 10,000 feet and continue up from there. Cardiovascular fitness is important, as it will help with exertion at higher elevations. Hikers will be walking uphill for 1,000-3,000 vertical feet, but the distance traveled varies widely by summit. Trails vary in technical difficulty, but these are not paved trails. There will be rocks, there may be scree or talus, and at some point the trail will rise above tree line.

Winter

What skiing/riding ability is necessary to participate?

We recommend participants in backcountry trips be at least “black diamond/expert” resort skiers or riders. The terrain encountered may not be steep, but it is not groomed. Experience in deep, powdery, or variable (cut-up or moguled) conditions is ideal.

What should I bring?

Participants must be prepared to spend the whole day outside in potentially snowy or changing weather conditions. There is no lodge like at the resort. Please bring plenty of layers (including a warm puffy jacket if available), water (1-2 liters), and snacks/lunch for the day. RMOC provides small packs but if clients have a small (25- to 40-liter) hiking or biking pack we recommend using their own. 

What fitness level is required for backcountry touring? How many miles will we ascend and what is the elevation gain?

Participants should be comfortable spending a full day above 9,000 feet and with enough cardiovascular fitness for aerobic exertion at this altitude. Private tours may climb 400-1200 vertical feet, depending on the route. Typically climbs take 15-45 minutes, depending on distance and gradient.

For AIARE Level 1 or Avalanche Rescue, the goals of those courses are mostly educational. Any downhill skiing or riding is a bonus. Instructors will focus on areas with short-distance access to maximize learning time. Expect to skin about a mile or two a day, with pretty minimal elevation gain, about 500- 1,000 feet at the most.

Where will we be skiing/riding?

Instructors evaluate snow and weather conditions at our teaching venues leading up to the course and make a final decision by the time of course start. We are permitted to use areas on Monarch Pass, Independence Pass, Fremont Pass, and near Leadville for instruction.

Can we meet our guide in Leadville?

We recommend that introductory private lessons meet at RMOC to fit gear and potentially use the indoor classroom for morning instruction. For private, more advanced instruction, it is possible to meet in Leadville. The preferred meeting place is the Safeway parking lot. We will need exact sizes and items needed for anyone using RMOC gear so the guide can bring it.  

What is the instructor to student ratio for backcountry courses?

AIARE courses = 1:6, RMOC courses = 1:4-6 depending on activity, participant needs

Do you offer half day trips?

Only in ice climbing. We can do half-day ice climbing at Agnes Vaille Falls, but it would probably just be one climb. 

No half day ski trips available.

I see that boots are not provided, but I only have boots for skiing or riding at the resort. What do I need?

Your downhill boots will be fine! Our bindings can accommodate regular downhill ski and snowboard boots. AT boots and splitboard boots are more comfortable if you are skiing backcountry frequently and for long periods of time, but they will be fine for a day or two of introductory lessons. Figure out if you like the sport before spending $$$ on new boots!

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